1 00:00:04,249 --> 00:00:02,270 hi everybody I'm bill burns yeah nancy 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:04,259 burns here I work in future theater and 3 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:07,410 you know we like to listen to mmm radio 4 00:00:15,230 --> 00:00:13,200 on sunday nights at 9pm 9pm whatever 00 5 00:00:48,730 --> 00:00:15,240 the best network on the whole entire 6 00:01:13,460 --> 00:01:02,959 you 7 00:01:18,660 --> 00:01:16,740 we are live from Ireland yields north in 8 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:18,670 northern Wisconsin with a hundred and 9 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:21,310 six degree heat index welcome to paying 10 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:23,170 radio tonight we have a good show for 11 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:26,770 you it is july 26 2015 sunday night for 12 00:01:32,010 --> 00:01:29,410 our special spectacular show I have my 13 00:01:34,050 --> 00:01:32,020 co-host Ken Storch you beat me by four 14 00:01:35,790 --> 00:01:34,060 degrees hey Ken yeah it's a hundred and 15 00:01:38,310 --> 00:01:35,800 ten here in northeast Oklahoma in the 16 00:01:40,290 --> 00:01:38,320 Ozark Mountains and it's cooking oh boy 17 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:40,300 that's that's cooking you want to talk a 18 00:01:44,790 --> 00:01:42,150 little bit of our guest tonight to Ken 19 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:44,800 yeah we're really fortunate we have 20 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:47,290 David Marlin am i pronouncing that right 21 00:01:55,530 --> 00:01:52,990 Marler yep marker yeah on tonight he has 22 00:01:56,850 --> 00:01:55,540 a written a book and we're going to 23 00:01:57,780 --> 00:01:56,860 discuss that tonight folks I think 24 00:02:01,230 --> 00:01:57,790 you're gonna find this extremely 25 00:02:03,450 --> 00:02:01,240 interesting i have read the book twice 26 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:03,460 it's fascinating it's a good read and i 27 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:06,070 would highly recommend if you're into 28 00:02:11,130 --> 00:02:09,759 flying saucers and et i suggest that you 29 00:02:13,590 --> 00:02:11,140 read this book because it's well 30 00:02:16,259 --> 00:02:13,600 researched well written very cool can 31 00:02:19,170 --> 00:02:16,269 you have any shoutouts for i do you know 32 00:02:23,820 --> 00:02:19,180 the usual suspects George and Patty and 33 00:02:25,890 --> 00:02:23,830 moszer and Doug you know Lynn and Bob in 34 00:02:29,340 --> 00:02:25,900 albuquerque new mexico and your neck of 35 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:29,350 the woods david and one other one is 36 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:31,769 marilyn and dick carlson down in 37 00:02:36,420 --> 00:02:34,720 oklahoma city there you go and you 38 00:02:38,930 --> 00:02:36,430 stoled one for me because Marilyn just 39 00:02:41,460 --> 00:02:38,940 did a shout out on her facebook page and 40 00:02:42,979 --> 00:02:41,470 another shout-out to my buddy joshua 41 00:02:45,660 --> 00:02:42,989 grams he's in Rochester Minnesota 42 00:02:48,390 --> 00:02:45,670 Rochester is not as normal home he's a 43 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:48,400 local up here to superior Wisconsin but 44 00:02:51,870 --> 00:02:50,530 he's going through a battle in where 45 00:02:53,370 --> 00:02:51,880 we're sending out her prayers to him his 46 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:53,380 daughter young daughter needs a heart 47 00:02:58,289 --> 00:02:55,510 transplant so we're hoping that a donor 48 00:02:59,729 --> 00:02:58,299 comes very soon and prayers going out to 49 00:03:02,070 --> 00:02:59,739 you Josh and thanks for supporting and 50 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:02,080 listening to paying radio so yeah it's a 51 00:03:06,030 --> 00:03:05,110 tough situation there for Josh what do 52 00:03:10,670 --> 00:03:06,040 you think of them pictures of Pluto 53 00:03:14,490 --> 00:03:10,680 there Rock n pretty fascinating uh I 54 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:14,500 confused now is Pluto a planet or is it 55 00:03:19,259 --> 00:03:16,570 not have they decided I mean I know they 56 00:03:20,580 --> 00:03:19,269 it was and then it wasn't I think 57 00:03:24,030 --> 00:03:20,590 they're still calling in a dwarf planet 58 00:03:25,620 --> 00:03:24,040 a dwarf planet yeah but it was some 59 00:03:28,110 --> 00:03:25,630 fascinating pictures I mean 60 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:28,120 now it it's out there in the solar 61 00:03:32,970 --> 00:03:30,730 system and supposedly there's one other 62 00:03:36,450 --> 00:03:32,980 one beyond that you know Planet X or 63 00:03:37,650 --> 00:03:36,460 knee brew or what yeah yeah yeah that 64 00:03:40,050 --> 00:03:37,660 one that's supposed to come around every 65 00:03:42,570 --> 00:03:40,060 10,000 years or fourteen thousand years 66 00:03:44,490 --> 00:03:42,580 something like that some like that very 67 00:03:46,230 --> 00:03:44,500 cool well you know what let's let's get 68 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:46,240 into the show tonight well actually get 69 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:48,370 a few more announcements you can listen 70 00:03:52,830 --> 00:03:50,740 to youtube or excuse me i RN on youtube 71 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:52,840 we just hit 800 subscribers today thank 72 00:03:56,130 --> 00:03:54,730 you for all the support if you want to 73 00:03:58,260 --> 00:03:56,140 listen to all our shows on the network 74 00:04:00,270 --> 00:03:58,270 subscribe to YouTube you can listen to 75 00:04:02,790 --> 00:04:00,280 the podcast anywhere anytime you can 76 00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:02,800 listen to us on our apps on Apple and 77 00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:04,990 Android store also we're in the Amazon 78 00:04:10,020 --> 00:04:07,360 store for a few of you users using that 79 00:04:13,290 --> 00:04:10,030 Amazon fire phone also you can listen to 80 00:04:14,940 --> 00:04:13,300 us by our irn app and now various other 81 00:04:17,340 --> 00:04:14,950 things so it's going to be going to be a 82 00:04:19,740 --> 00:04:17,350 many different ways to listen but 83 00:04:22,740 --> 00:04:19,750 tonight let me get to David Marr leurs 84 00:04:25,170 --> 00:04:22,750 biol here David marler has a has it had 85 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:25,180 a lifelong interesting subject to UFOs 86 00:04:29,610 --> 00:04:27,130 he joined the mutual UFO network in 87 00:04:31,170 --> 00:04:29,620 1990s a field investigator trainee since 88 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:31,180 then he has served as a field 89 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:33,370 investigator states section director and 90 00:04:38,010 --> 00:04:35,890 as well as state director Illinois State 91 00:04:40,650 --> 00:04:38,020 Director excuse me David is currently an 92 00:04:42,750 --> 00:04:40,660 independent UFO researcher david has an 93 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:42,760 exclusive personal library of UFO books 94 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:45,010 journals magazines newspapers and Case 95 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:46,930 Files from around the world that covers 96 00:04:53,190 --> 00:04:49,570 the last 65 years very extensive very 97 00:04:55,140 --> 00:04:53,200 cool with this he has been examining the 98 00:04:57,150 --> 00:04:55,150 details in history of UFO sighting 99 00:04:59,310 --> 00:04:57,160 reports related to patterns recent 100 00:05:01,320 --> 00:04:59,320 evidence of his historical research in 101 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:01,330 his newly published book triangular UFOs 102 00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:04,210 an estimate of the situation here he has 103 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:06,430 provided a comprehensive analysis of 104 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:09,010 triangular UFOs so David we like to 105 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:10,240 welcome to the show tonight thanks for 106 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:12,820 coming on thank you very much it's great 107 00:05:16,470 --> 00:05:14,710 to be I always like to start out with a 108 00:05:17,970 --> 00:05:16,480 question on her show and all that can we 109 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:17,980 kind of go back and forth and we'll get 110 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:19,930 some listener questions to from chat but 111 00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:21,580 but David what got you interested in the 112 00:05:27,030 --> 00:05:25,270 UFO you know phenomena well actually 113 00:05:29,550 --> 00:05:27,040 goes way back to nineteen seventy three 114 00:05:31,350 --> 00:05:29,560 and I was five years old at the time and 115 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:31,360 that was my first recollection of being 116 00:05:38,130 --> 00:05:34,090 exposed to UFO phenomenon or even 117 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:38,140 hearing the term UFO my father grew up 118 00:05:41,909 --> 00:05:39,610 in a small town call 119 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:41,919 the mill spring Missouri which is just 120 00:05:48,089 --> 00:05:45,370 outside yet other small town in 121 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:48,099 Southeast Missouri called Piedmont and 122 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:50,050 there was a famous wave of UFO sightings 123 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:51,520 that occurred there starting in the 124 00:05:58,770 --> 00:05:54,490 spring of 1973 that continued for quite 125 00:06:00,839 --> 00:05:58,780 a few years and I remember my father and 126 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:00,849 my sister my older brothers piling in 127 00:06:04,619 --> 00:06:03,039 the car heading down from st. Louis 128 00:06:07,589 --> 00:06:04,629 which is the area I lived in at the time 129 00:06:09,570 --> 00:06:07,599 and remember the excitement excitement 130 00:06:10,950 --> 00:06:09,580 the anticipation the thermoses of coffee 131 00:06:13,589 --> 00:06:10,960 being loaded up in the car the 132 00:06:15,089 --> 00:06:13,599 binoculars yeah they never observed 133 00:06:17,159 --> 00:06:15,099 anything themselves but they came back 134 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:17,169 with these stories of people that they 135 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:19,930 had spoken to you we had seen unusual 136 00:06:25,769 --> 00:06:23,860 lights and things in the sky and in 137 00:06:28,140 --> 00:06:25,779 subsequent years it was investigated by 138 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:28,150 dr. harley rutledge who was the physics 139 00:06:32,670 --> 00:06:29,650 professor at Southeast Missouri State 140 00:06:34,170 --> 00:06:32,680 University and he ultimately wrote a 141 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:34,180 book which is now a collector's item 142 00:06:39,929 --> 00:06:37,840 called project identification and he 143 00:06:42,059 --> 00:06:39,939 went in as a skeptic but came away as a 144 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:42,069 used the term but for the sake of 145 00:06:47,790 --> 00:06:44,370 argument quote-unquote UFO believer 146 00:06:50,909 --> 00:06:47,800 after his investigations and in fact 147 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:50,919 that Ken and I we attended an 148 00:06:56,999 --> 00:06:53,409 anniversary that they held in Piedmont 149 00:06:58,999 --> 00:06:57,009 Missouri back in 2011 cool yeah we sure 150 00:07:03,180 --> 00:06:59,009 did i'm in fact i'm looking at the book 151 00:07:05,999 --> 00:07:03,190 operate a project identification and you 152 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:06,009 know it is it's a phenomenal book and 153 00:07:13,379 --> 00:07:10,330 the data that Professor harley rutledge 154 00:07:15,570 --> 00:07:13,389 and his group collected david is pretty 155 00:07:19,829 --> 00:07:15,580 astounding when you when you look at it 156 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:19,839 and it cracks me up when when a skeptic 157 00:07:24,269 --> 00:07:21,490 say well there isn't any scientific 158 00:07:26,249 --> 00:07:24,279 proof that UFO exist and yet here you 159 00:07:27,929 --> 00:07:26,259 have a physics he was a head of the 160 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:27,939 physics department at Southeast Missouri 161 00:07:34,860 --> 00:07:30,460 State and he collected quite a bit of 162 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:34,870 scientific data absolutely in numerous 163 00:07:38,730 --> 00:07:36,849 newspaper articles that I have from the 164 00:07:41,550 --> 00:07:38,740 time i have an extent that file on that 165 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:41,560 case in numerous st. louis area 166 00:07:46,170 --> 00:07:43,810 newspapers and southern missouri 167 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:46,180 newspapers as well as in some singulis 168 00:07:50,129 --> 00:07:48,310 radio interviews which i have converted 169 00:07:53,310 --> 00:07:50,139 from old reel-to-reel Zinj assess the 170 00:07:55,890 --> 00:07:53,320 mp3's dr. Harley 171 00:07:57,300 --> 00:07:55,900 repeatedly made the statement that when 172 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:57,310 all this was going on it was in the 173 00:08:00,240 --> 00:07:58,690 newspapers and my colleagues in the 174 00:08:01,740 --> 00:08:00,250 physics department University were 175 00:08:03,450 --> 00:08:01,750 telling me oh you're a physics professor 176 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:03,460 go down there and investigate it and he 177 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:05,110 would continually tell people at the 178 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:07,570 time I told my colleagues I wouldn't 179 00:08:12,630 --> 00:08:09,120 touch that subject with a ten-foot pole 180 00:08:14,820 --> 00:08:12,640 yeah but over time the sightings 181 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:14,830 continued and he decided you know 182 00:08:19,770 --> 00:08:17,710 chickens point I'm a scientist I should 183 00:08:21,330 --> 00:08:19,780 be investigating this and you know in 184 00:08:22,530 --> 00:08:21,340 addition to myself the rest of the 185 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:22,540 scientific community should be 186 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:24,820 investigating this so you know I really 187 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:27,400 give him credit for his objective 188 00:08:33,330 --> 00:08:30,520 analysis but you know sticking his neck 189 00:08:36,390 --> 00:08:33,340 out his career on the line especially in 190 00:08:37,940 --> 00:08:36,400 1973 now we see more scientists coming 191 00:08:40,290 --> 00:08:37,950 on board looking at the subject but in 192 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:40,300 1973 you know we still had that 193 00:08:44,730 --> 00:08:41,919 invisible college as it was often 194 00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:44,740 referred to all these PhD college 195 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:46,630 professors that were researching the 196 00:08:51,930 --> 00:08:48,970 subject but were you know for the most 197 00:08:54,020 --> 00:08:51,940 part in the closet David is there a 198 00:08:58,350 --> 00:08:54,030 specific reason why you chose to 199 00:09:00,060 --> 00:08:58,360 research triangular UFOs well like 200 00:09:03,570 --> 00:09:00,070 everyone else that's interested in the 201 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:03,580 subject around 1989 1990 that was 202 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:06,250 prevalent in the newspapers it was 203 00:09:11,010 --> 00:09:08,110 prevalent in the UFO periodicals and 204 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:11,020 journals specifically the Belgian wave 205 00:09:16,020 --> 00:09:13,870 of triangular UFO sightings you know 206 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:16,030 starting in november 20 november 29th 207 00:09:21,570 --> 00:09:18,850 1989 all the way into spring and 1991 208 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:21,580 and I was captivated by that it's one 209 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:24,450 thing to describe seeing a 30-foot 210 00:09:29,850 --> 00:09:27,130 silver disc that shoots across the sky 211 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:29,860 but these sightings were a complete 212 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:32,290 departure from that traditional mindset 213 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:35,110 that classic stereotypical flying saucer 214 00:09:39,420 --> 00:09:38,110 imagery we have large objects estimated 215 00:09:41,820 --> 00:09:39,430 to be two to three hundred feet in 216 00:09:44,610 --> 00:09:41,830 length and by no means were they just 217 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:44,620 leaving sightings these objects were 218 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:46,480 hovering stationary for long periods of 219 00:09:50,940 --> 00:09:49,630 time and it wasn't just one witness or 220 00:09:53,130 --> 00:09:50,950 two witnesses we had hundreds of 221 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:53,140 witnesses throughout Belgium that were 222 00:09:58,620 --> 00:09:55,930 observing these objects and subsequent 223 00:10:01,980 --> 00:09:58,630 to that way we had a series of other 224 00:10:05,070 --> 00:10:01,990 incidents across the world and I started 225 00:10:07,199 --> 00:10:05,080 gathering my UFO data in 1990 when I 226 00:10:09,179 --> 00:10:07,209 became involved with MUFON you 227 00:10:11,009 --> 00:10:09,189 and Ken was over recently in March when 228 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:11,019 he spoke to the New Mexico MUFON group 229 00:10:17,009 --> 00:10:14,889 and yet the the the fortune to come over 230 00:10:18,419 --> 00:10:17,019 afterwards is he had a chance to you 231 00:10:20,009 --> 00:10:18,429 know see the library that i have here 232 00:10:21,989 --> 00:10:20,019 i'll let him speak to that later if he 233 00:10:25,199 --> 00:10:21,999 wins very cool i started collecting all 234 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:25,209 this data and what was amazing me was 235 00:10:30,929 --> 00:10:26,920 the fact that statements were being made 236 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:30,939 not by UFO researchers alone but 237 00:10:34,049 --> 00:10:32,860 skeptics and UFO researchers saying well 238 00:10:36,090 --> 00:10:34,059 these triangles are something new 239 00:10:37,949 --> 00:10:36,100 therefore they must be military I'm 240 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:37,959 sitting on hundreds of newspaper 241 00:10:42,629 --> 00:10:40,240 clippings if not thousands and I'm 242 00:10:47,819 --> 00:10:42,639 finding reports going back to the 1950s 243 00:10:50,340 --> 00:10:47,829 the 1960s 1940s and really wanted to set 244 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:50,350 the record straight really paint a 245 00:10:54,359 --> 00:10:52,929 historical overview of these reports the 246 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:54,369 fact that they're not just distributed 247 00:11:00,090 --> 00:10:57,850 over time but geographically there are 248 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:00,100 similarities common characteristics 249 00:11:05,179 --> 00:11:02,410 which I outline in the book and really 250 00:11:08,519 --> 00:11:05,189 decided that despite the prevalence of 251 00:11:10,530 --> 00:11:08,529 stories and articles no one had written 252 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:10,540 a comprehensive book on this subset of 253 00:11:14,819 --> 00:11:12,730 UFO reports which when you look at the 254 00:11:17,850 --> 00:11:14,829 national UFO Reporting Center it's the 255 00:11:20,549 --> 00:11:17,860 largest geometric shape object being 256 00:11:21,689 --> 00:11:20,559 reported the only other category if you 257 00:11:23,429 --> 00:11:21,699 look at the national UFO Reporting 258 00:11:25,470 --> 00:11:23,439 Center statistics the only one that 259 00:11:26,939 --> 00:11:25,480 rates higher is the amorphous category 260 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:26,949 of lights which I think we can all agree 261 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:29,740 that could be a satellite a star on a 262 00:11:34,230 --> 00:11:32,110 planet but as far as geometric shapes 263 00:11:36,059 --> 00:11:34,240 the triangle is the number one recorded 264 00:11:39,359 --> 00:11:36,069 object based on the national UFO 265 00:11:41,939 --> 00:11:39,369 Reporting Center statistics hmm thank 266 00:11:44,699 --> 00:11:41,949 you hey David I you know in your book 267 00:11:47,179 --> 00:11:44,709 and this is I found really quite 268 00:11:49,499 --> 00:11:47,189 fascinating is that the first reported 269 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:49,509 and there may have been other sightings 270 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:51,040 but the one that was documented goes 271 00:11:56,549 --> 00:11:53,769 back to the 1800s is that correct it 272 00:11:59,429 --> 00:11:56,559 does in fact I'll clarify this for the 273 00:12:01,799 --> 00:11:59,439 first time on any show I recently did a 274 00:12:04,259 --> 00:12:01,809 yes myth Sonia channel documentary and 275 00:12:07,379 --> 00:12:04,269 they did a very good job i might add it 276 00:12:09,689 --> 00:12:07,389 it's a UFOs declassified the episode is 277 00:12:11,429 --> 00:12:09,699 black triangles it's still scheduled to 278 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:11,439 air here in the state deserved in canada 279 00:12:15,629 --> 00:12:13,990 in the UK but they did a fascinating job 280 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:15,639 of covering not only the modern-day 281 00:12:19,230 --> 00:12:17,529 accounts such as the southern illinois 282 00:12:21,070 --> 00:12:19,240 case i investigated which we might be 283 00:12:22,750 --> 00:12:21,080 able to talk about later as well 284 00:12:23,830 --> 00:12:22,760 the Belgian wave but they actually went 285 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:23,840 back and looked at some of the 286 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:27,110 historical cases that I covered and you 287 00:12:31,930 --> 00:12:29,930 know to Ken's point the earliest account 288 00:12:34,660 --> 00:12:31,940 I had which I've lectured on was 1882 289 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:34,670 but in point of fact I recently acquired 290 00:12:39,550 --> 00:12:37,970 the original Scientific American which I 291 00:12:42,070 --> 00:12:39,560 had stumbled across in my research 292 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:42,080 through the works of Charles sport where 293 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:44,510 he quotes scientific american and states 294 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:46,490 that the case and this particular case 295 00:12:52,420 --> 00:12:48,910 occurred in eighteen eighty two however 296 00:12:54,310 --> 00:12:52,430 once i obtained an original 1882 copy of 297 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:54,320 Scientific American with this article 298 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:56,330 because the one thing I like to do is go 299 00:12:59,200 --> 00:12:57,770 back to the source I don't like to take 300 00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:59,210 people's word for it I like to go back 301 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:00,800 to the original source material if at 302 00:13:06,430 --> 00:13:04,310 all possible the the Scientific American 303 00:13:09,010 --> 00:13:06,440 was actually published in January of 304 00:13:11,380 --> 00:13:09,020 1882 and it references the case in April 305 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:11,390 so in actuality at the risk of 306 00:13:16,150 --> 00:13:13,910 embarrassing myself the account that i 307 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:16,160 have listed as 1882 was actually April 308 00:13:21,150 --> 00:13:19,850 at.1881 hmm so that even one one year 309 00:13:24,910 --> 00:13:21,160 earlier than what I had originally 310 00:13:28,270 --> 00:13:24,920 bought that's even before the the 311 00:13:31,150 --> 00:13:28,280 airships of the 1890s whoa lutely yeah 312 00:13:32,770 --> 00:13:31,160 1896 1897 airship sightings which I 313 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:32,780 think when Ken was Harry saw some of my 314 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:34,790 original newspapers that document some 315 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:36,290 of the airship sightings were met those 316 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:39,410 years yeah and by the way I just want to 317 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:40,970 tell our listeners I did have an 318 00:13:47,770 --> 00:13:44,690 opportunity to to visit David at his 319 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:47,780 house in his library and folks its 320 00:13:53,050 --> 00:13:49,910 outstanding it's very very extensive 321 00:13:55,060 --> 00:13:53,060 very well organized and David you're 322 00:13:59,470 --> 00:13:55,070 you're one hell of a researcher man I'm 323 00:14:00,820 --> 00:13:59,480 impressed well I appreciate that and you 324 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:00,830 know praise from the praiseworthy is 325 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:07,370 always the best something only that I 326 00:14:11,650 --> 00:14:09,380 think I can go ahead and just mention 327 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:11,660 your briefly and this is something I 328 00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:13,250 haven't publicly discussed we're in the 329 00:14:18,010 --> 00:14:16,160 final stages of negotiation but you know 330 00:14:21,490 --> 00:14:18,020 in reference use a library that I've 331 00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:21,500 gathered here as far as the material one 332 00:14:26,140 --> 00:14:23,360 of the things that i haven't mentioned 333 00:14:28,030 --> 00:14:26,150 ken is that you yet is the fact that the 334 00:14:31,690 --> 00:14:28,040 last few weeks up in a negotiation with 335 00:14:34,270 --> 00:14:31,700 the zimmerman library at UNM university 336 00:14:35,020 --> 00:14:34,280 of new mexico here in Albuquerque and I 337 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:35,030 have to pay 338 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:36,470 for sitting right here in front of me on 339 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:39,290 my desk we're in final negotiations so 340 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:40,790 I'm going to be putting a will together 341 00:14:48,940 --> 00:14:43,730 and whenever I shuffle off this mortal 342 00:14:51,610 --> 00:14:48,950 coil hopefully not too soon yeah don't 343 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:51,620 leave us anytime soon okay yeah I'd like 344 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:53,510 beer for at least another few decades if 345 00:14:59,320 --> 00:14:56,330 at all possible but UNM has graciously 346 00:15:03,670 --> 00:14:59,330 come over spend time reviewed my library 347 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:03,680 and they are in agreement that when 348 00:15:06,730 --> 00:15:05,570 something happens to me and I will state 349 00:15:09,580 --> 00:15:06,740 this in my will and we'll have some 350 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:09,590 contracts they want to incorporate my 351 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:12,140 entire UFO research library into the 352 00:15:17,530 --> 00:15:14,690 Zimmerman join em library here at UNM 353 00:15:20,410 --> 00:15:17,540 unit in Albuquerque New Mexico so i'll 354 00:15:22,510 --> 00:15:20,420 stay i'm very cool first I publicly 355 00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:22,520 acknowledged that will be signing the 356 00:15:26,530 --> 00:15:25,220 final papers here very soon but all of 357 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:26,540 this historical material will be 358 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:29,690 maintained for perpetuity at UNM library 359 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:32,210 so future generations will be able to 360 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:33,970 benefit from the separate we're all gone 361 00:15:38,770 --> 00:15:37,250 very cool very cool no David do you 362 00:15:41,650 --> 00:15:38,780 think there's any correlation with the 363 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:41,660 advancement in aviation technology and 364 00:15:44,530 --> 00:15:43,250 the sightings of these triangular UFOs 365 00:15:47,620 --> 00:15:44,540 is that kind of what your research is 366 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:47,630 about I do actually when I when I give 367 00:15:52,270 --> 00:15:50,360 my presentations across the country the 368 00:15:54,190 --> 00:15:52,280 question always comes up well you know 369 00:15:56,260 --> 00:15:54,200 okay let's assume for the sake of 370 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:56,270 argument Dave that these triangles are 371 00:15:59,560 --> 00:15:58,130 real or do you believe it's something 372 00:16:02,320 --> 00:15:59,570 that we manufactured or do you think 373 00:16:04,780 --> 00:16:02,330 anyone elses technology and my answer to 374 00:16:06,850 --> 00:16:04,790 that is yes I think that we're dealing 375 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:06,860 with probably a combination of people 376 00:16:12,370 --> 00:16:09,410 seeing advanced aircraft far beyond 377 00:16:14,950 --> 00:16:12,380 anything that that is reminiscent of the 378 00:16:17,710 --> 00:16:14,960 b-2 stealth bomber or f-117a stealth 379 00:16:20,530 --> 00:16:17,720 fighter I think that some people are 380 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:20,540 observing these these craft and they are 381 00:16:24,820 --> 00:16:23,360 military in origin partly due to the 382 00:16:27,850 --> 00:16:24,830 prevalence there's so many of these 383 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:27,860 reports now but when you look back at 384 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:30,800 the history the performance of some of 385 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:34,910 these modern-day triangular UFOs are 386 00:16:40,210 --> 00:16:37,610 extremely reminiscent of cases that I've 387 00:16:43,690 --> 00:16:40,220 documented from the 1950s and 60s and 388 00:16:45,550 --> 00:16:43,700 going back even further and if you're 389 00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:45,560 willing to accept the fact that the 390 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:47,120 modern-day accounts are legitimate I 391 00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:48,710 don't think you can summarily discount 392 00:16:52,060 --> 00:16:48,950 the 393 00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:52,070 cases from decades before uh and 394 00:16:56,490 --> 00:16:53,630 especially when you start to see 395 00:16:58,810 --> 00:16:56,500 commonalities that go beyond the simple 396 00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:58,820 triangular shape we have lighting 397 00:17:03,580 --> 00:17:01,040 characteristics that are eerily similar 398 00:17:06,189 --> 00:17:03,590 we have flight dynamics the way that 399 00:17:09,460 --> 00:17:06,199 these objects maneuver that are eerily 400 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:09,470 similar so it you know as an educator 401 00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:11,240 and what I'd like to consider myself a 402 00:17:16,420 --> 00:17:13,520 semi educated semi rational individual 403 00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:16,430 I'm forced to conclude that these people 404 00:17:21,780 --> 00:17:18,380 are describing essentially the same 405 00:17:24,490 --> 00:17:21,790 thing right but it to your question 406 00:17:26,590 --> 00:17:24,500 mixed in with that I think we are seeing 407 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:26,600 advanced military aircraft at the same 408 00:17:33,010 --> 00:17:29,330 time so yeah you know trying to tease 409 00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:33,020 those two groups of objects out of this 410 00:17:38,020 --> 00:17:35,750 the noise of the reports that we're 411 00:17:40,510 --> 00:17:38,030 receiving right that's that's where the 412 00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:40,520 hard part comes into play hey David and 413 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:43,310 I and I tend to agree with your analysis 414 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:46,700 that you know in the modern-day world 415 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:49,310 that some of what people are seeing are 416 00:17:55,780 --> 00:17:52,610 our military or examples of our 417 00:17:59,380 --> 00:17:55,790 technology and my question to you is why 418 00:18:01,780 --> 00:17:59,390 the triangle if the military is is 419 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:01,790 duplicating or reverse engineering them 420 00:18:08,350 --> 00:18:04,130 but what is it about the triangle do you 421 00:18:11,890 --> 00:18:08,360 think that would as an airfoil or craft 422 00:18:16,330 --> 00:18:11,900 would be more advantageous than the 423 00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:16,340 classic saucer shape yeah well I've 424 00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:18,320 talked to some aviation experts in that 425 00:18:23,470 --> 00:18:20,630 regard those that worked at Boeing 426 00:18:25,090 --> 00:18:23,480 McConnell blacklist professor John Allen 427 00:18:27,970 --> 00:18:25,100 from British Aerospace who I interviewed 428 00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:27,980 in the book I talked to a number of 429 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:29,600 these individuals and the triangular 430 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:32,510 shape does when to as you mentioned a 431 00:18:40,270 --> 00:18:37,090 very sleek airfoil or plan form design 432 00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:40,280 what's interesting though is the fact 433 00:18:44,740 --> 00:18:42,080 that you look at some of the flight 434 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:44,750 dynamics in a number of these cases and 435 00:18:49,810 --> 00:18:46,790 candy recently reviewed the book again a 436 00:18:51,910 --> 00:18:49,820 number of these cases especially one 437 00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:51,920 from 1960 I remember from Project Blue 438 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:54,320 Book that comes to mind they described 439 00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:57,170 and sketched this equilateral triangle 440 00:19:02,830 --> 00:19:00,080 with a bright light at each point moving 441 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:02,840 with the flat side as the leading edge 442 00:19:07,570 --> 00:19:05,750 now that defies conventional aerodynamic 443 00:19:09,370 --> 00:19:07,580 principles as we know it you know any 444 00:19:12,610 --> 00:19:09,380 type of aircraft that even has any 445 00:19:15,670 --> 00:19:12,620 slight delta wing shape or configuration 446 00:19:19,150 --> 00:19:15,680 you assume that the point is the leading 447 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:19,160 edge and unfortunately or fortunately 448 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:21,650 and in some of these cases that's not 449 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:23,690 what we see the flat side is the leading 450 00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:25,610 edge and the apex of the triangle is 451 00:19:31,180 --> 00:19:28,910 trailing behind so it with some of these 452 00:19:32,980 --> 00:19:31,190 reports again I keep qualifying that 453 00:19:35,380 --> 00:19:32,990 with some of these reports we're dealing 454 00:19:38,350 --> 00:19:35,390 with something beyond conventional you 455 00:19:40,060 --> 00:19:38,360 know combustion jet engines we must be 456 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:40,070 if these reports are valid if what 457 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:42,490 people are describing is is accurate 458 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:45,650 we're dealing with some radical new type 459 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:49,130 of propulsion technology yeah you know I 460 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:51,320 read an article and it's probably been 461 00:20:00,570 --> 00:19:56,930 20 years and it had referenced that the 462 00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:00,580 United States Navy was working on a 463 00:20:08,110 --> 00:20:05,270 super super blimp if you will and it 464 00:20:09,970 --> 00:20:08,120 config its configuration was in in the 465 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:09,980 form of a triangle you familiar with 466 00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:12,530 that absolutely there's that one and 467 00:20:16,150 --> 00:20:13,760 there was another one that the name 468 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:16,160 escapes me right now over in the UK that 469 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:19,850 was being developed and if it absolutely 470 00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:22,490 takes on it looks like a very large 471 00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,390 triangular shape and in fact even some 472 00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,120 of the earlier cases not not to that 473 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:31,280 degree there were some reports in 474 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:33,800 project google files there was one from 475 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:37,370 the Russian military files of triangular 476 00:20:43,060 --> 00:20:39,890 UFOs that I did not include in the book 477 00:20:44,830 --> 00:20:43,070 I even be a special point to state I did 478 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:44,840 not include these reports and this is 479 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:47,510 why back in the 50s in the 60s there 480 00:20:51,550 --> 00:20:49,250 were high altitude research balloons 481 00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:51,560 which once they were at a high altitude 482 00:20:56,830 --> 00:20:54,710 observe from the ground it looked if you 483 00:21:00,580 --> 00:20:56,840 observed it as you were directly below 484 00:21:04,510 --> 00:21:00,590 it it looks like a delta for triangular 485 00:21:07,330 --> 00:21:04,520 shaped object but they're extremely 486 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:07,340 light reflective sometimes some 487 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:10,730 described as semi-transparent and there 488 00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:12,410 was a famous case from the Drude spain 489 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:14,030 where hundreds of people have served 490 00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:15,590 this triangular object there were 491 00:21:18,740 --> 00:21:16,740 photographs 492 00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:18,750 numerous newspapers from all across the 493 00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:20,700 country in the world that document is 494 00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:23,190 deciding but when you look at it it 495 00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:25,950 looks eerily similar to the high 496 00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:27,720 altitude research balloons that were 497 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:30,960 being launched at that time and can most 498 00:21:35,810 --> 00:21:33,690 recently these larger blimp or 499 00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:35,820 dirigibles are in fact taking on that 500 00:21:40,910 --> 00:21:37,620 triangular appearance and have actually 501 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:40,920 for some time and that's why because you 502 00:21:44,930 --> 00:21:42,330 can appreciate going through these 503 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:44,940 thousands of trying to our UFO reports I 504 00:21:51,140 --> 00:21:48,690 try to you know properly vet these cases 505 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:51,150 and try to eliminate reports where 506 00:21:57,049 --> 00:21:53,610 people just saw a large triangular 507 00:21:58,820 --> 00:21:57,059 object stationary or moving slowly the 508 00:22:02,000 --> 00:21:58,830 ones that really impressed me were the 509 00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:02,010 ones where witnesses would describe a 510 00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,200 large triangular object with lighting 511 00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,200 configurations hovering and then in the 512 00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:08,880 blink of an eye it's rapidly 513 00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:11,580 accelerating and in some cases with the 514 00:22:15,710 --> 00:22:13,950 complete absence of a sonic boom so 515 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:15,720 these are the ones that definitely get 516 00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:17,220 into that category of more high 517 00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:20,100 strangeness whereas general observing a 518 00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:23,280 triangular object in the sky you know it 519 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:25,320 could possibly be a dirigible or 520 00:22:31,010 --> 00:22:28,890 something of this nature and the January 521 00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,020 50,000 psi investigated in southern 522 00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:33,360 Illinois were all these Illinois police 523 00:22:38,380 --> 00:22:35,580 officers and a couple civilians that 524 00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,390 observed this triangular shaped object 525 00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:40,559 it couldn't be explained away as a 526 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:42,179 balloon simply because it would be 527 00:22:46,790 --> 00:22:44,460 hovering stationary and then rapidly 528 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:46,800 accelerate in some cases hundreds of 529 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:49,530 miles an hour and any type of lighter 530 00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:52,590 lighter than air brain blimp org 531 00:22:57,650 --> 00:22:55,140 original simply couldn't withstand the 532 00:22:59,360 --> 00:22:57,660 amount of G's and that's not me saying 533 00:23:01,520 --> 00:22:59,370 this this is the aviation expert for 534 00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,530 that consulted and ask them you know 535 00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:03,480 with regard to you know their knowledge 536 00:23:07,910 --> 00:23:06,059 could this be at the left and it was an 537 00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:07,920 air opinion that no it couldn't have 538 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:09,960 been it had the capability to make those 539 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:12,510 rapid acceleration hmm interesting no 540 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:14,250 David you kind of explain it a little 541 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:16,410 bit about what what size have these what 542 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:18,510 size variation have these triangles came 543 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:20,970 in as reports I mean from real Mount go 544 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:23,850 ahead yeah they do Barry I mean most 545 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:26,130 often we hear about the larger ones and 546 00:23:30,380 --> 00:23:29,610 again and I know ken will back me up on 547 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:30,390 this one 548 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:32,610 the hardest things for UFO eyewitnesses 549 00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,310 to accurately document our sizes of 550 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,960 these objects because by definition they 551 00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:39,360 are unidentified flying object we don't 552 00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:41,100 really know how large they are we can 553 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:42,840 only describe the appearance you know 554 00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:44,490 and hopefully we have some objects in 555 00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:46,440 the foreground or background to help 556 00:23:51,020 --> 00:23:48,780 gauge that but you know if you don't 557 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:51,030 know how big a 747 is standing next to 558 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:53,250 it and you see it a mile away you really 559 00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:54,690 have a hard time gauging what the true 560 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:57,000 size is something like that is and so 561 00:24:00,560 --> 00:23:58,890 too you know we find that with these UFO 562 00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,570 eyewitnesses that they're trying to give 563 00:24:06,170 --> 00:24:03,600 us the best estimate however I will say 564 00:24:07,910 --> 00:24:06,180 this even though you can skeptics will 565 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:07,920 argue that well people are describing 566 00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:10,890 size they really don't have any idea let 567 00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:12,750 me just add this one of the best 568 00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:14,760 descriptions I've ever heard with regard 569 00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:17,640 to one of these triangular UFOs was by a 570 00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:20,700 30-year retired law enforcement officer 571 00:24:27,050 --> 00:24:22,950 who I've come to know over the last 13 572 00:24:29,330 --> 00:24:27,060 15 years quite well he personally relate 573 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:29,340 to me the sighting of a large triangular 574 00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,250 object north of st. Louis in ironically 575 00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:35,760 enough November of 2000 several months 576 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:38,190 after the January 50,000 incident in 577 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:40,170 southern Illinois across the Mississippi 578 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:43,650 and he and several friends some of whom 579 00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:47,130 were law enforcement one actually worked 580 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:52,380 at Boeing in st. Louis they were sitting 581 00:24:56,150 --> 00:24:53,850 there and they had done this many times 582 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:56,160 there was one of their many outings out 583 00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,410 into the woods where they would 584 00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,240 basically spend you know the day and the 585 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:02,640 into the evening hunting and then 586 00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:06,210 barbecuing out on an open fire the area 587 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:09,150 in question was a wooded area but there 588 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:12,090 was a large open field roughly I believe 589 00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:13,650 two to three hundred yards if memory 590 00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:16,200 serves the size of this is this field 591 00:25:20,180 --> 00:25:18,540 that they were next to and one of the 592 00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,190 gentlemen walked out and was just 593 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:21,600 looking up at the sky and suddenly 594 00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:23,730 yelled hey guys what is this what is 595 00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:26,340 this what the you know what is this and 596 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:28,440 so they all run out to the clearing and 597 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:31,370 look up and they saw this large 598 00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,130 triangular or wedge shaped object craft 599 00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:37,860 if you will and the description that 600 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:40,260 this is this gentleman John laid to me 601 00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:42,450 was one of the best descriptive because 602 00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,280 I think even though there is that amber 603 00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:45,840 when we're trying to determine size on 604 00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:49,020 these UFOs he told me he goes Dave you 605 00:25:54,980 --> 00:25:52,140 couldn't look at it you had to can your 606 00:25:58,550 --> 00:25:54,990 head from left to right to see the 607 00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:58,560 entire thing regardless of altitude I 608 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:00,360 think we'll agree that's a large object 609 00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:03,510 oh yeah oh yeah yeah I would say that 610 00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:04,680 would definitely get your attention 611 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:07,140 that's for sure but I think that's one 612 00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:08,970 of the best descriptions I've heard that 613 00:26:13,910 --> 00:26:11,940 really that really you know lends some 614 00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:13,920 credence to how large are an 615 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:15,870 appreciation of how large these objects 616 00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:19,170 are well and just a dovetail what you 617 00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,480 were speaking on the the Phoenix lights 618 00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:24,000 there were several excellent witnesses 619 00:26:29,420 --> 00:26:26,670 that saw this craft and if they 620 00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:29,430 described it as a chevron absolute 621 00:26:35,270 --> 00:26:32,190 shaved and it was huge i mean there was 622 00:26:36,770 --> 00:26:35,280 a United Airlines pilot that was on the 623 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:36,780 ground one and I guess it went literally 624 00:26:42,010 --> 00:26:38,490 over the top of this house with him and 625 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:42,020 his wife stander and he was able able to 626 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:45,090 describe this Chevron and he said it was 627 00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:48,150 several hundred yards across yeah and 628 00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:50,220 you know we talked you're absolutely 629 00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:51,870 right and we talked about the Phoenix 630 00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:54,030 lights case but the one thing I also try 631 00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,220 to you know him still in the audience's 632 00:27:00,620 --> 00:26:57,840 that I lecture 2 and in the book as well 633 00:27:03,650 --> 00:27:00,630 is the Phoenix life is the most dramatic 634 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:03,660 well documented case there are so many 635 00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,130 others we of course have the famous 636 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:07,980 Hudson Valley break that described a 637 00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:10,740 very similar object a chevron or B or 638 00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,320 wing shape and some cases they describe 639 00:27:18,140 --> 00:27:16,380 triangular shaped objects we have that 640 00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:18,150 we also have an incident that occurred 641 00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:20,520 over the state of Missouri in November 642 00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,340 of 1980 and even though it was over the 643 00:27:27,620 --> 00:27:25,440 course of just one night there were 644 00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,630 hundreds of witnesses and this was 645 00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,520 thoroughly written up and investigated 646 00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,860 by veteran UFO researcher and journalist 647 00:27:37,940 --> 00:27:34,500 pop crap and I included that in the book 648 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:37,950 as well and of course the Belgian wave 649 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:41,250 we can't forget that one as well so 650 00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:43,050 there have been these incidents and then 651 00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:44,940 there was also a case involving multiple 652 00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:47,460 law enforcement officers over a Memphis 653 00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,600 Tennessee in 1977 so that was the one 654 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:53,220 thing I really tried to do with the book 655 00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:54,570 one of the reasons I wanted to write the 656 00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,900 book I had all these disparate cases 657 00:28:02,570 --> 00:27:59,760 but when you put it all together I think 658 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:02,580 it makes a very strong argument that you 659 00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:05,610 have to be the ultimate cynic to read my 660 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:08,190 book and read these cases from credible 661 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:11,100 news sources and declassified government 662 00:28:15,770 --> 00:28:13,170 documents you have to be the ultimate 663 00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:15,780 Senate to sit there and say all of these 664 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:18,960 people are hallucinating and or lying 665 00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:23,310 and or you know simply you know 666 00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,980 misconstruing things it's just you have 667 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:27,360 to be the ultimate CENTAC to just 668 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:29,370 summarily discount all this and the 669 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:30,690 other thing in addition to the 670 00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,730 eyewitness testimony is we do have radar 671 00:28:36,860 --> 00:28:34,080 confirmation and the number of these 672 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:36,870 days very cool now David let's take our 673 00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:38,610 first break that's a good stopping point 674 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:40,620 we'll talk about some radar cases and 675 00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:42,990 other triangle UFOs we'll be right back 676 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:44,790 on paying radio with David marler hang 677 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:46,860 in there welcome back to paying radio 678 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:48,330 tonight we're talking with David marler 679 00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:50,910 and triangular UFO is a great subject 680 00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:53,280 it's been an awesome show so far no 681 00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:54,870 David have you had any good radar 682 00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:58,140 evidence in your research well relative 683 00:29:02,420 --> 00:29:00,120 to the number of actual sightings it's 684 00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:02,430 few but we do have some very well 685 00:29:08,270 --> 00:29:04,950 documented cases some of these are from 686 00:29:10,550 --> 00:29:08,280 the military files that he classified 687 00:29:12,140 --> 00:29:10,560 military files there was one that was 688 00:29:14,060 --> 00:29:12,150 featured recently on the Smithsonian 689 00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:14,070 Channel documentary I mentioned that 690 00:29:19,910 --> 00:29:16,950 they recreated actually quite well and 691 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:19,920 this involved an f-86 Sabre jet pilot 692 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:22,170 that was flying over albany georgia on 693 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:25,710 january twenty eight 1953 so again we're 694 00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:28,410 going back we're not talking 1980s 1990s 695 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:31,860 we're talking 1953 Wow and this fact was 696 00:29:38,030 --> 00:29:35,340 a flying a solo mission at night and he 697 00:29:40,670 --> 00:29:38,040 observed this bright star or lights in 698 00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:40,680 the sky he thought it was a star but he 699 00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:42,780 was impressed by the fact that it had 700 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:45,540 this extremely sharp circular outline it 701 00:29:50,270 --> 00:29:47,850 didn't have that fuzzy or twinkling or 702 00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:50,280 scintillating look that many stars in 703 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:52,500 planets have when you look up in the 704 00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:54,330 night sky so he thought it was very 705 00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:56,430 strange and decided well I'll increase 706 00:30:00,200 --> 00:29:58,980 my altitude if the object gets larger 707 00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,210 than my windscreen that obvious 708 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,640 obviously something in the atmosphere if 709 00:30:06,020 --> 00:30:04,080 it doesn't change perspectives and 710 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:06,030 obviously it's something astronomical a 711 00:30:11,150 --> 00:30:09,330 star or planet he increases altitude and 712 00:30:11,779 --> 00:30:11,160 very quickly and this is all documented 713 00:30:13,849 --> 00:30:11,789 in the 714 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:13,859 chikhloo book report so this is coming 715 00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:15,570 from a credible source this isn't you 716 00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:17,100 know tabloid material we're talking 717 00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:20,039 about as he increased altitude he very 718 00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:22,350 quickly noticed that the light that was 719 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:25,100 above his jet aircraft was now below him 720 00:30:31,879 --> 00:30:28,169 so he immediately realized that this is 721 00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:31,889 not a stalker class there's a clue he 722 00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:34,559 decided at this point to try to close in 723 00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,299 to get better visual of whatever this 724 00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:38,399 this aircraft was for lack of a better 725 00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:42,059 term and as he closed in towards the 726 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:46,200 light the light which was I alternating 727 00:30:50,659 --> 00:30:48,450 now at this point white orange white 728 00:30:53,299 --> 00:30:50,669 orange it did that several times in 729 00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:53,309 rapid succession and then in the project 730 00:30:58,869 --> 00:30:56,039 blue book report he states the light 731 00:31:02,089 --> 00:30:58,879 then turned into a perfect equilateral 732 00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:02,099 triangle now mind you this is an f-86 733 00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:03,960 Sabre jet pilot closing in on this 734 00:31:07,899 --> 00:31:06,179 object or this light and now it's 735 00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:07,909 suddenly transforms into a solid 736 00:31:13,009 --> 00:31:10,470 triangular object that he's observing 737 00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:13,019 within seconds is it that's not enough 738 00:31:16,669 --> 00:31:14,940 to wrap your mind around in 1953 739 00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:16,679 observing something like this in the 740 00:31:22,609 --> 00:31:20,399 skies over Georgia he then relays in the 741 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:22,619 project blue book report file the 742 00:31:28,849 --> 00:31:25,289 triangle then divided into two equal 743 00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:28,859 lateral triangle which quickly moved off 744 00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,279 and disappeared now long answer to your 745 00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:35,519 question uh the Blue Book investigators 746 00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:38,340 talk to him and the final conclusion 747 00:31:42,879 --> 00:31:40,169 that blue book report was that this was 748 00:31:46,009 --> 00:31:42,889 a visual sighting of the planet Venus oh 749 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:46,019 my god that really stretches the 750 00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:48,450 imagination well that's always Venus 751 00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:50,039 it's always venusaur weather balloons 752 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:53,700 you yeah he get for weather balloon 753 00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:57,330 right guys yeah but this is the most 754 00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,700 important thing if you can't believe his 755 00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:01,200 testimony if you think he was just 756 00:32:06,349 --> 00:32:03,720 hallucinating or his mind with wild the 757 00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:06,359 albany georgia airport was tracking a 758 00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:09,059 primary unknown target at the same 759 00:32:13,639 --> 00:32:11,190 location at the same time of the pilot 760 00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:13,649 sightings oh there you go right there 761 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:16,799 yeah so there's there's one radar case 762 00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:18,690 that we have through very official 763 00:32:23,659 --> 00:32:21,809 sources i mentioned the sighting that 764 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:23,669 occurred in november of 1980 during at 765 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:25,650 one night over the state of 766 00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:28,290 Zuri it was a that object had been 767 00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:32,550 tracked on radar and I actually spoke to 768 00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:34,200 a witness who contacted me who read my 769 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:37,320 book and stated that they observed the 770 00:32:42,290 --> 00:32:40,290 triangle on that particular night and he 771 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:42,300 was in Kirksville Missouri the 772 00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:44,610 Kirksville Missouri airport that tracked 773 00:32:48,410 --> 00:32:46,920 a primary target where the UFO was being 774 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:48,420 sighted at the time so that was another 775 00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:50,850 one in 1980 and of course I think the 776 00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,980 most popular case involving triangular 777 00:32:58,580 --> 00:32:54,480 UFOs being tracked was of course the 778 00:33:00,860 --> 00:32:58,590 Belgian wave where they had for supper 779 00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:00,870 ground-based radar tracking stations 780 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:03,060 tracking this unknown trying to a UFO 781 00:33:08,150 --> 00:33:05,610 while we had multiple ground observers 782 00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:08,160 observing it and then of course we had 783 00:33:13,310 --> 00:33:10,740 the two f-16s dispatched to try to 784 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:13,320 identify what this object was one of the 785 00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:15,450 f-16s was able to lock on repeatedly 786 00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:18,360 with the triangular UFO but every time 787 00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:19,980 they achieved lock on the object could 788 00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:22,200 pull away at tremendous speeds and make 789 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:25,080 these acute turns that the f-16s do not 790 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:27,510 keep up with and before I forget I'm 791 00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:30,510 very happy and proud to say that about a 792 00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:33,720 month ago I had the honor of having mr. 793 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:36,510 Patrick farrance the head of so veps the 794 00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:38,370 head of the Belgian UFO organization 795 00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:41,640 here at my library and he was making a 796 00:33:45,380 --> 00:33:43,230 tour of the United States and we've been 797 00:33:47,270 --> 00:33:45,390 skyping since my books been published 798 00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,280 and exchanging triangular UFO case 799 00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:49,200 material I'm very up to say I finally 800 00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:50,910 had the opportunity to spend time and 801 00:33:56,390 --> 00:33:53,790 discuss some of these cases from Belgium 802 00:33:59,780 --> 00:33:56,400 as well as other locales with they be 803 00:34:04,550 --> 00:33:59,790 expert over froth from Belgium that's 804 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:04,560 that's awesome that is very cool hey hey 805 00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:07,710 Dave yeah you know we we talked about 806 00:34:11,330 --> 00:34:09,929 this during the break and just for our 807 00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:11,340 listeners one of the questions that I 808 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:14,220 asked dave is that Eddie had any reports 809 00:34:20,630 --> 00:34:18,510 where there were landings by any of the 810 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:20,640 triangular craft and as far as you know 811 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:22,409 there has not been any that doesn't mean 812 00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:23,610 it hasn't happened you just don't have 813 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:24,899 any reports of that as I correct 814 00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:28,290 absolutely i qualified statement by 815 00:34:32,090 --> 00:34:30,030 saying you know I can only speak to what 816 00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:32,100 I found or what I've uncovered as far as 817 00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:34,020 you know in the newspaper archives and 818 00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,990 military archives and that's as we were 819 00:34:40,099 --> 00:34:38,399 discussing can 820 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:40,109 it's always interesting to look for 821 00:34:44,839 --> 00:34:42,510 patterns to see what is there in these 822 00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:44,849 reports not just triangular but all UFO 823 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,859 reports but it's also interesting to 824 00:34:50,809 --> 00:34:48,480 take a step back and say well what don't 825 00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:50,819 we see and when you compare the 826 00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:53,669 triangular case files to the saucer or 827 00:34:58,460 --> 00:34:55,950 flying disk or flying saucer reports 828 00:35:01,099 --> 00:34:58,470 over the last several decades where we 829 00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,109 have had landings we have had saucer 830 00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:03,599 nests we have had compress irradiated 831 00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:06,900 soil I have yet to find one accounts of 832 00:35:14,420 --> 00:35:11,460 any sighting or a you know report 833 00:35:16,789 --> 00:35:14,430 involving a triangular UFO touching 834 00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:16,799 ground actually landing or touching 835 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:19,230 ground or affecting yeah you know 836 00:35:24,529 --> 00:35:22,770 vegetation or soil on the ground and 837 00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,539 that's it's interesting it again it's 838 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:26,400 one of those things that raises more 839 00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:29,730 questions than it answers all right hey 840 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:33,390 and just so that we from my own 841 00:35:38,809 --> 00:35:37,410 edification most of in fact the ones 842 00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:38,819 that I've read and including in your 843 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:42,270 book these crafts have been relatively 844 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:45,170 big huge do you know of anywhere there's 845 00:35:50,329 --> 00:35:48,990 small you know I like the classic saucer 846 00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:50,339 shape you hear it referred to as a 847 00:35:57,980 --> 00:35:55,230 sports model okay okay but but in in the 848 00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:57,990 triangular category have you heard of 849 00:36:03,529 --> 00:36:00,480 the smaller version of the large 850 00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:03,539 triangle yes and that's a good if you 851 00:36:08,299 --> 00:36:05,960 can really focus so much on the larger 852 00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:08,309 reports and quite often those get more 853 00:36:13,789 --> 00:36:10,380 notoriety just because of the dramatic 854 00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,799 nature but they do vary in size a number 855 00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,079 of cases from a project blue book as 856 00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,960 well as some of the Ministry of Defense 857 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:20,700 files from the UK which i reviewed all 858 00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:22,470 of their declassified files which was no 859 00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:26,430 small task let me tell you they involved 860 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:28,500 in some cases smaller trying to order 861 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:30,210 objects some that were described as the 862 00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:32,930 size of a car or the size of a van so 863 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:37,079 there are some smaller triangular craft 864 00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:39,210 or objects that have been reported and 865 00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:41,460 one that that quite often is brought up 866 00:36:45,260 --> 00:36:43,740 in my lectures by audience members is of 867 00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:45,270 course Rendlesham the Bentwaters 868 00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:47,910 incident from december 1980 where 869 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:49,740 sergeant Jim Penniston described seeing 870 00:36:54,260 --> 00:36:52,290 a roughly triangular shaped object all 871 00:36:56,780 --> 00:36:54,270 it was somewhat faceted in almost 872 00:36:59,660 --> 00:36:56,790 pyramidal in shape it had that height as 873 00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:59,670 well as length and width some people 874 00:37:04,070 --> 00:37:01,140 have said well don't you think that's a 875 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:04,080 triangular UFO well you know from a 876 00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:06,330 strictly geometric standpoint yes it's 877 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:09,060 certainly not circular so some people 878 00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:10,890 are inclined to maybe even include that 879 00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,780 in the mix and I'm willing to do that in 880 00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:17,280 fact I mentioned it briefly in my book 881 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:19,820 just yet so I don't completely omit that 882 00:37:24,590 --> 00:37:22,770 so there are these variations now this 883 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:24,600 is where it gets really hairy we're 884 00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:26,130 talking about triangular objects we're 885 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:27,900 talking about different sizes and we're 886 00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:29,850 comparing it to somebody to the flying 887 00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:32,280 saucer flying disk reports this is where 888 00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:34,500 things get really bizarre quite often 889 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:38,070 these trying to pose and can you may 890 00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:40,050 recall some of these cases that i had my 891 00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:44,040 book are seen with other UFOs non 892 00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:48,500 triangular UFOs yeah there but go ahead 893 00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:51,600 well and it again we just begin to this 894 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:54,540 area a very high strangeness where we 895 00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,810 have accounts in fact one of the most 896 00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,720 dramatic cases that I uncovered that I 897 00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:02,880 had never heard really discussed or 898 00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:04,680 lectured about with regard to these 899 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:07,710 triangular UFOs was not just one 900 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:09,330 sighting not just several but an entire 901 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:12,510 wave of sightings that swept the country 902 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:15,510 of Denmark from the fall of nineteen 903 00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:20,610 fifty-seven into 1958 and they described 904 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:24,720 in detail that all over Denmark people 905 00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:26,850 were reporting these large triangular 906 00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:28,740 and I always qualified us when I do my 907 00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:31,740 lectures triangular spaceships that's 908 00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,540 that's the words that they used in the 909 00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:35,280 newspapers at the time That's not me 910 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:37,800 trying to read things into the story how 911 00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,050 they describe triangular spaceships and 912 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:42,000 it actually states in one of the 913 00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:44,250 newspapers this was from the Danish 914 00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:47,460 newspaper BTW there April sixteenth 1958 915 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:50,280 edition it stated triangular space ships 916 00:38:54,020 --> 00:38:51,930 have also now appeared in the southern 917 00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:54,030 part of Jutland from every port come 918 00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:55,710 reports of mysterious phenomenon in the 919 00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:58,140 sky sports late evening all witnesses 920 00:39:02,660 --> 00:38:59,640 state with certainty that conventional 921 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:02,670 aircraft are not involved now it goes on 922 00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:04,530 describing further detail about these 923 00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:06,150 large black triangle 924 00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:08,609 but I also came across a Reuters news 925 00:39:14,589 --> 00:39:11,579 service article that basically backed up 926 00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:14,599 just this news account and this was a 927 00:39:19,339 --> 00:39:17,579 dated april nineteen and the title of 928 00:39:21,769 --> 00:39:19,349 the reuters news service article was 929 00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:21,779 spaceship over denmark it doesn't get 930 00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:24,119 better than that and it describes a 931 00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:27,000 woman that on april fifteenth in the 932 00:39:33,019 --> 00:39:30,119 town of grow here in denmark described a 933 00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:33,029 low-flying triangular object as big and 934 00:39:38,029 --> 00:39:35,700 black and she further noted as it 935 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:38,039 hungered over the village again this 936 00:39:44,299 --> 00:39:40,770 idea of the covering stationary she 937 00:39:48,019 --> 00:39:44,309 described a number of who got a lot of 938 00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,029 thunder here apologized it describes a 939 00:39:52,460 --> 00:39:50,400 number of horseshoe shaped objects each 940 00:39:57,019 --> 00:39:52,470 emitting a strong light that emerged 941 00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:57,029 from the large triangular craft now it's 942 00:40:01,039 --> 00:39:58,650 interesting at the very end of the new 943 00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:01,049 service article Reuters states that they 944 00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:02,520 were able to track down approximately 945 00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:04,500 twenty other witnesses in the village 946 00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:06,900 that testified to the same thing and 947 00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:10,500 corroborated the woman's testimony wow 948 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:13,859 very well Christy yes that's an account 949 00:40:19,579 --> 00:40:16,170 of objects coming out we also have 950 00:40:21,769 --> 00:40:19,589 accounts of UFOs entering in to the 951 00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,779 triangular objects we had Disney made 952 00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:23,700 objects that were reportedly seeing 953 00:40:28,099 --> 00:40:26,460 entering into a large triangular object 954 00:40:31,730 --> 00:40:28,109 after they had been seen flying 955 00:40:36,019 --> 00:40:31,740 alongside a large triangular UFO this 956 00:40:39,319 --> 00:40:36,029 was cited by a BOAC strata cruiser by 957 00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,329 the pilot captain Howard and the his 958 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:42,240 chief officer Lee Boyd and they observed 959 00:40:46,339 --> 00:40:44,010 this for 15 minutes flying alongside 960 00:40:49,789 --> 00:40:46,349 their commercial airliner over Labrador 961 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:49,799 in 1954 and at one point captain Howard 962 00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:51,930 his attention got distracted and he 963 00:40:56,660 --> 00:40:54,569 turned back to look at the the UFO the 964 00:40:59,480 --> 00:40:56,670 large UFO that was being flanked by the 965 00:41:02,599 --> 00:40:59,490 smaller circular disk shaped objects and 966 00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:02,609 he asked the question quizzically he 967 00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:04,680 said where did the smaller objects go 968 00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:07,859 and leave oi responded by saying I it 969 00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:09,270 looked like they went into the larger 970 00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:13,740 one and so we have accounts of that then 971 00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,619 we have at least two to three accounts 972 00:41:20,050 --> 00:41:19,200 of these triangular objects being seen 973 00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:20,060 with large 974 00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,180 rectangular UFOs I know this just you 975 00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,400 know just when you think it's crazy will 976 00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:28,680 raise it a bar will go a little crazier 977 00:41:36,110 --> 00:41:34,350 here Elgin waves on the DfE first night 978 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:36,120 that really started the Belgian wave 979 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:40,890 November 29th 1989 the two police 980 00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:42,450 officers are John's arms that were 981 00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,180 reporting this were Heinrich Nico and 982 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:47,520 the other officers name was von Ponte 983 00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:50,010 key they were reporting back to Albert 984 00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:52,380 Kreutz who was in the loop on village 985 00:41:57,620 --> 00:41:55,710 police station and they were describing 986 00:41:59,780 --> 00:41:57,630 what they were seeing and Albert crux 987 00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:59,790 was kind of laughing it off and he 988 00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:02,040 stepped out on the balcony off of the 989 00:42:06,350 --> 00:42:04,110 dispatchers office there and he looked 990 00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:06,360 out and not far away from where they 991 00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:07,740 were having their sighting of these two 992 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:10,200 triangular UFOs he observed this 993 00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:13,170 rectangular object and he sketched it I 994 00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,780 have to sketch in the book and he has a 995 00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:18,480 large light at each corner of the 996 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:22,020 rectangle and side-by-side with that I 997 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:24,810 compared that to a sighting in the 1980s 998 00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:26,850 that was investigated by a pro aerial 999 00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:28,950 phenomenon research organization in 1000 00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:31,560 upstate New York where a woman and 1001 00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:34,440 daughter were returning home saw a large 1002 00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:36,300 triangular object that disappeared 1003 00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:38,460 behind the tree line and shortly 1004 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:40,110 thereafter just a matter of minutes 0 1005 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:42,810 seconds or minutes later they then saw a 1006 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:46,890 large rectangular UFO dark with a large 1007 00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:49,050 bright light at each corner of the 1008 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:51,660 rectangle and when you and as I did in 1009 00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:53,130 the book if you look at these sketches 1010 00:42:58,100 --> 00:42:54,840 side by side you would swear they saw 1011 00:43:00,080 --> 00:42:58,110 the same thing and edit to that the 1012 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:00,090 January fifth two thousand case in 1013 00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:01,290 southern Illinois were these police 1014 00:43:06,670 --> 00:43:03,660 officers we had witnesses come forward 1015 00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:06,680 stating they saw a rectangular UFO 1016 00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,540 seeing at the same time as the 1017 00:43:14,090 --> 00:43:12,720 triangular UFO was being reported crazy 1018 00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:14,100 I'm going to get a little more crazier 1019 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:15,780 David have you have you had any reports 1020 00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:18,770 of entities in the craft being view 1021 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:21,660 there have been some reports in the 1022 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:23,730 historical accounts where people 1023 00:43:28,850 --> 00:43:26,970 observed a you know a humanoid shape I 1024 00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,860 really don't have any detail they 1025 00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,200 describe the humanoid shape they thought 1026 00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:33,780 they saw in a window of one 1027 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:36,780 these triangular objects now subsequent 1028 00:43:40,070 --> 00:43:38,490 to the book being published I'll be 1029 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:40,080 honest with you I was rather naive when 1030 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:42,090 I published this book my attitude was 1031 00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:44,130 set the record straight get the 1032 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:46,380 information out there so people can see 1033 00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:48,090 there's a rich history of these accounts 1034 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:49,710 and let people make up their own minds 1035 00:43:53,060 --> 00:43:51,330 as to what they think the origin of them 1036 00:43:54,530 --> 00:43:53,070 are although i think the historical 1037 00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:54,540 argument really begs the question it 1038 00:44:00,500 --> 00:43:58,140 might be somebody else's but I had a 1039 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:00,510 number of people contact me one was a 1040 00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:03,570 30-year retired law enforcement officer 1041 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,660 from the UK who contacted me and stated 1042 00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:08,640 I've never reported this publicly to 1043 00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,400 anyone but for approximately three hours 1044 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:13,920 I interviewed him by phone and he 1045 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:16,170 described seeing this large triangular 1046 00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:19,530 UFO with a very detailed sketch on my 1047 00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:21,060 dad quite often we get very crude 1048 00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,440 sketches he was very very talented in 1049 00:44:30,590 --> 00:44:28,260 the sketch that he provided to me and he 1050 00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:30,600 stated in the narrative of his report 1051 00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:33,060 and 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